Province of BC Criss-crossed by Independent Power Projects

Where do you stand on the issue ?
Where do you stand on the issue ?

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”    …I had a nice afternoon yesterday, just sitting and listening to others conversations while out and about ( I know, I know, but I’m an eavesdropper by nature ! ) but it struck me quite hard that  all I heard were two topics being discussed by everyone: Canucks hockey playoffs, and how much they hate Gordon Campbell!

 I overheard 5 separate conversations about gordo selling off BC bit by bit Mary!!

Average people really ARE paying attention to all of this,and they are mad. Now, that being said they are a bit hesitant about Carol’s financial abilities, but they are still planning to vote for her to save our provincial assets…. And the BC rail sale came up twice. Twice!! out of the mouths of really average people in Surrey.
It was nice to hear and see. People are really contemplating the future of our province right now Mary, and its about damned time...”

This is an excerpt from an email I sent yesterday to friend and fellow writer, BC Mary of  The Legislature Raids

I didn’t think about the relevance of it until after her hearty and smiling reply – and no wonder. Sometimes I question whether or not people really, really, get it, you know?  I write and write and I see that a heck of a lot of people are reading these posts, ( and Gee, BC Mary has been trying to get to the truth for years on her blog! Years, meticulously documenting and posting the entire debacle…) but not many speak up and leave a comment, so how do I ( we)  know what all of you are thinking? How many people on the street really know and care about what the hellfire is going on in this province of ours?

And when I’m talking about ‘people on the street’,  I don’t mean the politically inclined, or ivy-leagued professional with the lambskins on the wall behind his desk, I’m talking about the garbage truck driver who is constantly humping his butt in the sun,wind and rain just to take your stinking refuse away. Or the  couple where dad works long days and mom is working nights, and they know the Tim Hortons drive-thru ladies better than they know each other because they are never home at the same time. And all so they don’t have to pay daycare costs.

People like me. Maybe they rent and still can’t afford to buy, or maybe they own a home, but it’s those people who matter to me, and I think, to everyone who blogs about these issues, because it is those people’s votes who accumulate and  can make or break an election. So  this is why I’m telling you what I am hearing on the street.  It may seem like nothing to you, but to me ? Two really average, random people who were  actually talking about the likelihood of corruption in the BC Rail sale  is huge. Massive.

Think about it. These are perhaps people who may not have ever bothered to vote before, but are stinking mad right now and have the calender marked May 12th. People who, for the first time in their lives, are thinking about what it means to have independent power projects popping up all over. People who didn’teven know this was going on, and had to admit they thought ” Run of the River” was a movie!  I’ve explained this term to quite a few people recently, hence the map above and how this all relates to the topic at hand.

It may not be Angus Reid, but I think listening to what people are talking about in coffee shops and grocery store line-ups is  damn fine indicator of what the voting environment is likely to be. Try it.

NOTE :  

 I located that map on the website of the Independent Power Producers Association of BC. 

Typical corporate type site, with a lot of  PR driven links and pages  to the” REAL” information that the evil people like the NDP and environmentalists and concerned citizens won’t tell you.

Stuff like this :

Over the last few months, the NDP opposition, union leader and organizations formed and backed by these political groups have implemented a campaign of  public meetings and misinformation on run of the river projects…. READ MORE

Insert some thunder and lightening there for effect. It works.

The site contains a wealth of information, but unfortunately most of it is for members only and not accessible to the public. For example, if you were a member you could find out how to start your own independent power project!  That is , if you can locate a stream or river on the map above that hasn’t already been taken…. I kind of get the impression it’s not that hard to do…

There are also links to environmental reports and certifications for several projects, a heavy but still interesting look at that side of things.


If you are really  in the mood for a hoot….Check out  the BC government site on electricity and IPP’s… According to them, IPP’s are the most amazing thing – from that site I learned that the projects don’t harm the fish, or the river, or the environment, they create jobs for rural communities and the owners have brought( and will continue to bring) billions of dollars in investments in BC ! ( NOT!  – while I am not opposed to alternative energy sources, this government is running roughshod over our province and the information out there)


To put this all in perspective for you, go back and read this post on far too many BC Liberal Insiders who have since been hired by Private Power Producers……

If you are interested in saving the provinces waterways for future generations , head on over to for videos, columns and photos of  real and potential implications for Run of the River projects.

AND…. may I remind you how far our Premier and his PAB will go to spread their own misinformation? Read this post of mine from last year where I dissect TV and print ads promoting the Carbon Tax(  from Campbell and his Libs, of course)  where the Libs tried to blame the Okanagan Firestorm and The Great Prince George Flood  on global warming……

It’s a good read, if I may say so myself.

19 thoughts on “Province of BC Criss-crossed by Independent Power Projects

  1. Laila, the very fact that yahoos like Campbell, Penner and the Govenator from Action Movies can pose as “Green” is like George Orwell’s worst nightmare come to life. That people like Suzuki, Tzeporah Berman and others are dumb enough to fall under their spell is at the least an indictiment of our educational system.

    The Run of River designation for “greed” power envisioned by the Liberal Cartel is far from run of the river and far from green, excepting the green of US dollars earned by mostly US Corps and fortunate friends of our CEO premier. To divert up to 90% of the flow of one creek and divert it through a tunnel over 20 kilometres to another to then remove both into penstocks to run turbines is easily as destructive as the most massive conventional Hydro of the more traditional style that have provided cheap and relatively clean power to BC residents for decades AND contributed to the support of health care, education and social services in our province.

    By the time you calculate the carbon footprint and environmental damage caused by miles of roads, tunnels and transmission lines for relatively few MW it is almost as dirty as just burning fossil fuels.

    For much more information on this visit my friends over at:

    I may soon be joining the ink stained wretches over there at her blog. There is also a universe of information elsewhere on her website, of which the WaterWalk Blog is merely a section.

    Even if these projects were “green” and environmentally friendly, the business model alone, makes them worthy of the strongest of opposition. It is just another of Gordo and gang’s multiple fronted assault on the assets of the people of BC, just like BC Hydro itself, BC Gas, BC Ferries, BC Rail and on and on…………………………………

    If Gordo gets another four years, we’ll live in the equivalent of an exhausted gravel pit, while he and his buddies drink mai-tais, and count their money elsewhere, occasionally having a laugh at the expense of those rubes who paid with their legacy for their bloated lifestyles on Maui or where ever and those rubes IS us!


    1. Everything I expected , and more koot! ( had to do a minor edit koot, I think you know what I had to take out to save myself a world of trouble)

      May I also insert that with all the money being spent on trying to sway, convince or otherwise brainwash British Columbians into believing all this crap, that there would again be no need to make cut-backs on things like schools, rangers, court services and the like.

      Great Link, I highly recommend everyone take a look at it.


  2. Heh – 291,000 creeks in BC and only 30 IPP plants!

    You must be kidding Laila – only 4% of BC power comes from IPPs. Big Deal!


  3. Independent Power Producer (IPP) Run-of-the-River Technology FACTs:

    Independent Power Producers pay 3 times more social benefits to government than BC Hydro does.

    Private power IPPs pay $25 per MWh in taxes, water license rental fees, and community benefits to the government. About half of that is paid to the local government as property tax (while BC Hydro pays no local property taxes for 25 billion dollars of assets that it owns).

    BC Hydro, on the other hand, pays only $8 per MWh as dividend, water license fees, and taxes to the government (2008) while most of that power is produced by dams that have permanently altered the Columbia River and Peace River basins with cumulative environmental impacts. To meet our current energy shortage, BC Hydro wants to build yet another dam (Site C) at 3 times the cost per MW, compared to low-cost low-impact private run-of-the-river technology.

    A small 10 MW run of river IPP plant pays about $1,400,000 a year to various levels of government, most of it to the local government. BC Hydro pays only $420,000 for the same amount of power to the Province, including an infinitesimal “grant-in-lieu” to the local government.

    No IPP run-of-the-river project is on a salmon bearing reach of a stream, and the environmental impact is minor and can be compensated. Run-of-the-river technology can co-exist and share the habitat with fish and other wildlife. IPPs do not build dams – but low weirs or taps on generally a steep stream that has little or no resident fish. The impact is far less than dams built by BC Hydro, logging, mining, oil and gas, coal, real estate development, transportation, pulp and paper, pipelines, utility telephone and cable poles, etc. And unlike mining, oil and gas, coal, transportation and real estate – run of river technology is sustainable, renewable, clean and significantly reduces greenhouse gas emissions.


  4. Would that be Corporal Alex from the PABst Blue/Red Ribbon Brigade or just a lobbyist for the Independent Power Producers. Come up to the Kootenays Alex and I’ll take you up Glacier and Howser Creeks and show you what they have in mind and then you tell me how green it really is. They won’t hurt any fish bearing stretches of Glacier Creek, because where the Kokanee and Bull Trout spawn will be dry gravel during spawning season, so they won’t bother being there.

    Also no one has explained to me why they have to build forty miles of transmission lines over Jumbo Pass, when the grid is right in Meadow creek, a couple miles down the road already. Hmmmm, I guess it is all tied into Jumbo Resort, the one they want to carve out of pristine wilderness to eventually host more people than live in Nelson today. This at a time when the much touted Revelstoke SKI development is in trouble already, and they are right next to existing infrastructure.

    The only thing green about Gordon Campbell is the Yankee dollars he is willing to sell out our beautiful province to collect. All so he can sit on the beach on Maui drinking mai-tais and counting his money, or maybe he can just swim in it like Donald Ducks Uncle Scrooge! When he isn’t drunkenly careening down the highway, that is!


  5. IPPs using run-of-the-river technology can produce green renewable electrical energy at about half the cost of BC Hydro.

    IPPs generate power at about $50 to $85 a MWh. Ashlu Creek IPP is selling its power to BC Hydro for $55 for the next 40 years (term of the BC Hydro contract). IPPs pay $25 a MWh in taxes, water license rental fees, and first nation royalty to governments – mostly to the local government. BC Hydro pays only $8 a MWh in dividend and taxes to the government.

    On the other hand, BC Hydro is a very high cost producer – $110 a MWh, from its own Aberfeldie run-of-the-river project that it has just completed. The cost of production at the proposed Site C mega-dam on the Peace River will be about $160 a MWh.

    BC Hydro has extremely high internal overhead and costs. Although BC Hydro can produce some power at less than $6 a MWh from our gigantic heritage dams paid by BC citizens (in the 1960s) with no interest expense remaining – BC Hydro then sells this power at 13 times the cost ($80 a MWh) to BC citizens who own these dams. The average salary and benefits at BC Hydro is $100,000 per person a year (see the Financial Openness Report on BC Hydro website). This is 2.5 times the average private salary in the province of $40,000. The average salary at BCTC, a unit of BC Hydro is $130,000 per person.

    BC Hydro charges the ratepayers and taxpayers $1.4 million per GWh in costs to produce non-green power (Site C). Due to high costs, BC Hydro is unable to produce power economically if the project is less than 50 MW.

    On the other hand, private power IPPs can produce green and clean power at $0.6 million per GWh, none of that charged to ratepayers – and less than half the cost that BC Hydro charges ratepayers. Private power producers can produce power from projects as small as 5 MW by using local talent and labour.

    The cost saving by IPPs is passed on to the consumer when large number of IPPs compete for the few power purchase contracts offered by BC Hydro. 17,000 GWh of power is being offered by about 150 competing IPP projects to a single buyer, BC Hydro – which will only purchase 3,000 GWh. BC Hydro offers on the average only 3 buildable power purchase agreements a year and no more than 2 or 3 IPP projects can be built in a year. Without a power purchase agreement from BC Hydro, no IPP run-of-river project can get built. There are 12,000 major streams and 280,000 minor streams and creeks in BC and only 30 IPP plants in all of BC (10 more under construction). The water license held by an IPP terminates in about 25 years and it is up to the government of the day to renew it.

    It is not possible to export power to the US without the authorization of BC Hydro. And BC Hydro and BCTC demand a cut of at least 25% of the sales to allow exports. The price of power in Washington State is generally same as in BC, and the transmission lines to California are all congested.


      1. “Good spin Alex- you should definately (sic) get your bonus this month.” Typical airhead response meaning “I (Laila) am unable to argue the facts”.


      2. “Good spin Alex- you should definately get your bonus this month.” — Typical airhead response meaning “I Leila, can’t argue the facts”.


  6. Where do you people think you are going to get your power from? Do you have any alternatives? Secondly, go get a degree in electrical and civil and mechanical and hydrology engineering and biology and then you can compare the economic footprint of run of river hydro to coal or natural gas, or comment on the transmission rout used. Also think about how neither of these is a renewable resource. You would probably still complain if wind or solar were being used everywhere. Would you complain if the price of your electrical bill increased 500%? Think about how you have the privilege of writing this blog post from your home which is probably heated by electricity from BC Hydro and your computer powered by that same electricity, and your television and your phone, etc.

    Go back and live in the stone age, the rest of us will be glad you stop using up our resources to produce nothing.


  7. Received this and sorry for the length, but think about it. Some may have seen it, but it’s pretty good and definitely at play.


    Checking out at the store, the young cashier suggested to the much older woman, that she should bring her own grocery bags because plastic bags weren’t good for the environment.The woman apologized and explained, “We didn’t have this ‘green thing’ back in my earlier days.”

    The young clerk responded, “That’s our problem today Your generation did not care enough to save our environment for future generations.”

    She was right — our generation didn’t have the ‘green thing’ in its day.

    Back then, we returned milk bottles, soda bottles and beer bottles to the store. The store sent them back to the plant to be washed and sterilized and refilled, so it could use the same bottles over and over. So they really were recycled.

    But we didn’t have the “green thing” back in our day.

    Grocery stores bagged our groceries in brown paper bags, that we reused for numerous things, most memorable besides household garbage bags, was the use of brown paper bags as book covers for our school books. This was to ensure that public property, (the books provided for our use by the school) was not defaced by our scribblings. Then we were able to personalize our books on the brown paper bags.

    But too bad we didn’t do the “green thing” back then.

    We walked up stairs, because we didn’t have an escalator in every store and office building. We walked to the grocery store and didn’t climb into a 300-horsepower machine every time we had to go two blocks.

    But she was right. We didn’t have the “green thing” in our day.

    Back then, we washed the baby’s diapers because we didn’t have the throwaway kind. We dried clothes on a line, not in an energy-gobbling machine burning up 220 volts — wind and solar power really did dry our clothes back in our early days. Kids got hand-me-down clothes from their brothers or sisters, not always brand-new clothing.

    But that young lady is right; we didn’t have the “green thing” back in our day.

    Back then, we had one TV, or radio, in the house — not a TV in every room. And the TV had a small screen the size of a handkerchief (remember them?), not a screen the size of the state of Montana . In the kitchen, we blended and stirred by hand because we didn’t have electric machines to do everything for us. When we packaged a fragile item to send in the mail, we used wadded up old newspapers to cushion it, not Styrofoam or plastic bubble wrap. Back then, we didn’t fire up an engine and burn gasoline just to cut the lawn. We used a push mower that ran on human power. We exercised by working so we didn’t need to go to a health club to run on treadmills that operate on electricity.

    But she’s right; we didn’t have the “green thing” back then.

    We drank from a fountain when we were thirsty instead of using a cup or a plastic bottle every time we had a drink of water. We refilled writing pens with ink instead of buying a new pen, and we replaced the razor blades in a razor instead of throwing away the whole razor just because the blade got dull.

    But we didn’t have the “green thing” back then.

    Back then, people took the streetcar or a bus and kids rode their bikes to school or walked instead of turning their moms into a 24-hour taxi service in the family’s $45,000 SUV or van, which cost what a whole house did before the “green thing.” We had one electrical outlet in a room, not an entire bank of sockets to power a dozen appliances. And we didn’t need a computerized gadget to receive a signal beamed from satellites 23,000 miles out in space in order to find the nearest burger joint.

    But isn’t it sad that the current generation laments how wasteful we old folks were just because we didn’t have the “green thing” back then?

    Please forward this on to another selfish old person who needs a lesson in conservation from a smartass young person…

    We don’t like being old in the first place, so it doesn’t take much to piss us off…especially from a tattooed, multiple pierced smartass who can’t make change without the cash register telling them how much.

    The End !


    1. Thanks, I loved it. Very true — Laila being holier than thou has the temerity to criticize green renewable power, while being totally useless herself in protecting the environment.


  8. Reply to Laila:

    “Good spin Alex- you should definately (sic) get your bonus this month.” — Typical airhead response meaning “I Leila, can’t argue the facts”.


  9. Talk about nutters…… let me clarify that for you Alex……Meaning if you spend 8 hours, 14 mins and 41 seconds trying to come up with a witty yet acidic comment for this post…. you really don’t GET what’s going on behind this potentially useful energy source that unfortunately in British Columbia, has not been regulated, HAS been passed by our very stripped down and sick EA process, influenced politically by campaign donations and lobbiests…. and well… the people, the fish, the rivers, the water sources? The people reaping the lucrative rewards from contracts with the governement dont give one bit of scat about any of it.

    Carry on, bitter one. Carry on.


    1. Leila, lol, you sure know how to BS. I bet you are a (useless) artist?

      Haven’t you read what I wrote about run of river production, and you have nothing to say there?

      “unfortunately this potentially useful energy source is unregulated”. You are quite ignorant. It takes 5 years to move a simple project through the Environmental Assessment process, and there are about 50 Acts and Regulations that must be met to the letter, and $5,000,000 has to be spent to assure it meets all regulations and permits received, and you who has no idea what she is talking about calls this “has not been regulated”? Tell me dear, which part is unregulated??? Yes, I want to see if you can BS yourself out of this hole.

      “HAS been passed by our very stripped down and sick EA process” — Oh really, tell me what you know about our sick EA process. Yes, I will read your BS and respond.

      “influenced politically by campaign donations and lobbiests (sic)” — lol, someone employed in this industry contributes $5,000 to a Party and you call that “influencing elections”? Now how many millions have the mooching public unions sucking the taxpayers dry are contributing to the socialists? Leila, I want names and numbers. Who exactly are these lobbyists and what are they contributing. Name please.

      “and well… the people, the fish, the rivers, the water sources? The people reaping the lucrative rewards from contracts with the governement dont give one bit of scat about any of it.” — What about the fish and rivers? There are no fish in most of the streams. And only 10% or less of the river is being diverted.

      And the people? The private projects are paying 20 TIMES more taxes and benefits to government than BC Hydro. The private projects are producing power at 2/3 the price of BC Hydro, making the ratepayers richer. That is right, thousands of permanent jobs are created when ratepayers can save money and put it to use instead of consuming an overpriced product, with no choice. IPPs pay 4.1 cents/kWh while BC Hydro pays only 0.2 cents/kWh to government in terms of benefits and taxes.

      Have you ever thought where your handouts are coming from? Your handouts comes form such taxes that IPPs pay and BC Hydro does not pay.


  10. So Leila, why are you moderating the comments? What are you afraid of? You make it look like you are scared that someone will call you on your BS artistry? I am sure that is not the case. Nothing to be scared of. lol


    1. I don’t moderate comments A lexx.. to stop the onslaught of China based spam that I’ve been subject to since first having written the Playing with the Dragon series, I have set my spam filter on high, and both the IP’s you’ve posted from have been designated spam … which I find rather ironic considering your support of that industry is about as palatable as the canned meat.

      I only remove content that is slanderous, obscene or otherwise offensive to most. Quite frankly, my readers have never given me reason to have to moderate.

      By the way, it’s quite appalling that you continually spell my name incorrectly when it’s there on the page right before you 😉

      Go away troll.You aren’t fooling anyone.


  11. LOL – Laila, that should make you happy.

    “Troll” — you mean the wealth of evidence and figures I have supplied is trollish behaviour? Or is it that anyone who disagrees with you is a troll?

    Let’s start from the basics:

    The average Clean Call IPP generates and sells power (to BCH) at $69 a MWh. Now compare this to BCH Aberfeldie at $134 a MWh, Site C at $101, and residential power prices at $83.

    So is this a problem? Why don’t you socialist ever understand that only the private sector can come up with less costly products that everyone can benefit? That it is the pension funds, insurance companies, and individual investors who put their hard earned money in productive enterprises. Why don’t you understand that only competition will keep people honest so they don’t rip others off. So before you say “big corporations”, let me say that they need to be broken up and competition should be enhanced.


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