Combined referendum results say NO to prison in Lumby.

What a difference a night makes. Prior to going to bed last night, the initial media reports indicated the referendum results where favourable for a prison in Lumby.

However, those early reports from the Kelowna paper were misleading, because they did not include the Area D results, which significantly swayed the outcome. Here are the final results.

Lumby voters were asked: ” Do you support pursuing the development of a Provincial Correctional Facility within the village of Lumby ? “

Final Lumby Prison Referendum Results

Area “D”      

Yes – for the prison – 374 / 34%                          

No – against the prison – 727 / 66%              

Total votes cast: 1101       

Village of Lumby

Yes – for the prison – 494 / 56%                          

No – against the prison – 381 / 44%              

Total votes cast: 875

Combined Totals

Yes – for the prison – 868 / 44%                          

No – against the prison – 1108 / 56%              

Total votes cast: 1976

The results clearly leave Mayor Acton and the council in a position of difficulty, since the village residents and Area D residents ( surrounding area) are very divided on this issue. Even within the village however, the vote was quite close, indicating a fair amount of negative response among those residents as well.

When the idea of a referendum arose, mayor Acton  initially did not want to include Area D residents, but quickly changed his mind after seeing and hearing the resulting anger from those citizens. Area D residents live outside of the village boundaries but are considered part of the community as a whole.

Mayor Acton has said several times since the referendum was announced that he would listen to Area D residents and take their stance into account, and those residents have now spoken clearly that a prison is not welcome in Lumby.

 Should mayor Acton and council decide to move forward with the prison, they send the clear message to residents opposed, that the many valid and factual concerns they presented to council have been discounted. News articles in local papers have not done justice to the hard work and realistic alternatives presented to the mayor and council by local residents who have presented a compelling position against building such a large facility in a miniscule village. ( scroll down to see two previous posts to this for background and links)

 Priscilla Judd and Don Elzer in particular, both have spent innumerable hours over the past year, documenting and researching both the process the village has taken to get to this point, and finding fiscal alternatives to sustain and promote economic development that come from an educated and experienced point of view.  I commend them, and the others who have assisted along the way, as outstanding stewards of the community at large, and visionaries who  I feel would be better suited to guide this community though the future, than the single minded mayor and council without a vision beyond the grants in lieu a prison would bring.

 The city does not seem at all interested in pursuing any other fiscal avenue than the prison. And considering Mayor Acton and the current MLA Eric Foster, have been pursing the prison idea for two years prior to this referendum, the question of whether the people want the village to pursue a prison or not is mute. They have been doing so all  along without any public input at all.

On the eve of the federal election where conditions seem ripe for a dramatic change in the leadership of our country, Lumby residents face the possibility of a dramatic change in their future as well, on a personal level and as a community. I will be following this story, as my freedom of information requests are handled by the village officials in Lumby, and I look further into the finances of the village.  My interest is keen, since what is happening in Lumby, could happen anywhere – the city of Burnaby is a good example.  I live in a neighbourhood down from the Surrey Pre-trial centre, and we have become so accustomed to petty crimes like vehicle break-ins that most go unreported now. There is not a vehicle on the street here that has not been broken into at least once – many several times –  as addicts and thieves who are released look for change and small items that can be sold for quick cash to  buy cigarettes, a drink or simply get out of the neighbourhood via cab or bus. Garages here are easy pickings, even when locked.  There are always unintended consequences of corrections facilities, and while we are a large community, Lumby has but the population of a few  of our city blocks.

I leave you with this open letter to the Mayor and Council, a letter that needs to be read by all.  I urge Mayor Acton to look beyond the easy lure of grants and short term jobs to solutions that are more amiable to a tiny community than the prison. The facts and research prove that the long term consequences of placing a corrections facility in a small, rural community are harmful and nearly impossible to overcome.

An open letter to Mayor and Council.

Kevin Acton <mayoracton@lumby.ca>, Janet Green <jan_g1@telus.net>, Lori Mindich lorideann@shaw.ca>, Tracy Williamson <tracywilliamson@live.ca>, Ben Winters <bwinters@shaw.ca>

Since the overall vote result from Lumby and Area D combined is 56% NO, I believe it’s time to work constructively towards a future the community will welcome. To do this, council needs to give the population the tools needed to now go forward with constructive plans for our future. I suggest we start by having council call a public meeting to present:

1. Budget vs Actual for the last 5 years
2. Financial projection for the next 5 years – this must include all projected expenses for all infrastructure costs according to at least 3 different growth scenarios
3. Included in #2 of course, will be the impact on taxes since this is a large part of the revenues.

Many of us have presented council with ideas during public meetings yet none of these ideas were ever brought forward. It is now time to do so, but can’t be done without full disclosure of financial information. We need to understand what the major projected costs are before we can plan.  It has been impossible to understand up to now since at one time we were told we needed money for fixing up sewage and waste disposal then were told we did not. Please help us all go forward now by starting where we should have begun in the first place: a transparent presentation of our past and projected finances.

I don’t see such a meeting as requiring much preparation since surely these are figures you must already have. I therefore hope you will call this meeting within the next few weeks so we can all look at the choices facing us together and give clear indications to the economic committee. But please don’t make it tomorrow night – let’s wait till after the federal election results!

With hope for a constructive first meeting,

Huguette Allen.
130 Shuswap River Road,
Lumby, BC.

( Hugette was a candidate for MP and MLA for the Green party in the past elections and is a strong community member)

23 thoughts on “Combined referendum results say NO to prison in Lumby.

  1. Gordon Appleby

    It seems to me the more I read about peoples opinions of either having a remanditory institution in our little village, or not. Has indeed sparked a huge ammount of proverbial “poo-flinging”, by people involved in one political party or another.
    All you have done is managed to confuse issues that are important to all of us. Some in this town beleve that
    having this prison may give some hope of a future to us, with jobs, tax freezes, infrastructure, people eating at our restaraunts
    and maybe buying gas here. Others think criminals will be running around, and housing prices will go down. No one has botherd
    to have someone truly impartial to give clear information. Why? even this website seems aweful one-sided. Most of the people
    here are not informed either way, but passionate anyway. The fact is, We need something here. There is no jobs to be had here
    and none seem to be comeing. So our Mayor tried something, maybe it’s not the right thing, but it was something. Perhaps
    we need to come up with alternatives instead of handfulls of “poo”.

    Excuse my writeing, I work with trees not computors.
    Gordon Appleby, Born and raised here.

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    1. Laila

      Hi Gordon, and thank you for speaking your opinion here! And please, no need to excuse your writing, your comment is thoughtful and easily understood. I respect where you are coming from, and I appreciate your manner of bringing it to the table more than you might know. Just so you know, I am not a member of any political party, nor am I involved in any way or matter, in any political party. My opinions are my own, based on experience, research and facts.

      When I first started looking into why a place as small as Lumby would want a prison, it didn’t take long to find a host of inconsistencies with the story presented by the mayor on Global BC as I watched it down here on TV, and that is where this story started for me.
      I looked around, started doing some research, talked to a few people and then did more research on whether or not a prison like this has helped other rural small communities or not. And what I found clearly indicates that in the vast majority of cases, a facility like this hurts, not helps the residents long term. I spelled it all out in my first post, you can scroll down to read the links or watch the documentary of what happened in the states. Government facilities often must use certain suppliers etc, leaving the locals out and that often occurs in BC too.

      Where the questions arise is when we get back to the mayor, Eric Foster and the council. It is fact that that Acton and city officials have stated at times completely opposing statements regarding this project, and declined to be forthright with how far this had gone before bringing it to the people. It is fact that Acton openly told several reporters about his past meeting with Kash Heed and Gordon Campbell and it is fact that he told them both the village wanted the project without having made it apparent to the residents that the village was even interested. This has been on the table with Acton and Foster for years.

      It is also fact, and I offered a link in my last post, that there have been several alternatives offered and the city has done nothing to pursue or investigate any of those matters, so where does that leave residents listening only to the side the mayor and council have presented ? The city has been completely one-sided in their representations and the Mayor openly admits in his posted letter on the Lumby site, that they would not know the fine ( but oh so important) details about jobs, contracts etc… all the things they say will come… would actually happen at all. That is fact, not fiction. There are too many unknowns and unanswered questions that should be known before a community can make an informed decision about what is right or wrong.

      I hear you about the jobs Gordon. I grew up in the north, and jobs were always hard to come by and keep. Even now, although I live here on the coast my entire family is in the forestry industry in and around PG. Jobs have been scarce there for a long time too, many mills closed and a plywood plant burnt down and never re-opened. For men that work with trees, like you and like my family, that is pretty devastating. I have a lot of friends who had to split up their families while dad went to work in a mine up north, or the oil fields and drill rigs in the north and in Alberta. So, I know about hard times and what you are talking about, believe me I know. The downtown of PG is like a dead zone, so many empty stores and shops.

      Yes the mayor tried something, and yes, as you say, it might not be right… but from where I stand and from what I can see, it sure doesnt look like he, or anyone else on council for that matter, has even bothered to try looking at alternatives for the last two years minimum. Lumby looks like a paradise, seems like there would be an opening for tourism in some form, like eco-adventures, along with a host of other things – hunting , fishing, backcountry excursions. In PG, they have started in that direction, banking on the Europeans and Asians coming over to see our beautiful BC. And it is starting to work.

      The only poo in this is the poo happening behind closed doors with who knows what promises being made. Very convenient that some of the biggest supporters of the proposal happen to own some of the land being looked at for a site. That must be a multi-million dollar deal, from my experience looking at government land purchases.

      I’m trying to shed some light on what other motives some people might have for this prison that have nothing to do with jobs, Gordon. I hope you can check out some of the research and facts I have linked to, and see that. But either way, I thank you again for speaking your mind. Civil discussion is key to making a future here.

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  2. name withheld

    Thanks so much Laila,for these articles of truth.I have been very hesitant to speak out in Lumby against the prison,because my neighbour is a friend of Janet Green and Ben Winter and has called me names like stupid and ignorant because I don’t beleive it will solve what is wrong in the village. In your first article, you quoted a local here that said the city is fiscally mismanaged and that is correct. There was a minor scandal behind closed doors when the city was getting audited and the books were in such bad shape they had to hire someone to clean it up. Everyone knows about it, but there was nothing in the news about why or how it happened. I support Hugettes letter and believe council better come clean about all of this, or I will not vote for them again in the next election. You will always be welcome in my home if you come this way, for telling this story the way it should be told, and a super huge thank you to Priscilla for all her hard work over the years!

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  3. name withheld

    Also, there was a province article this morning that was very misleading about the unemployment and poverty here.

    Lumby residents split on prison referendum
    By Andy Ivens,

    The Province May 1, 2011 5:01 PM

    Lumby elected officials will have a tough decision to make at Monday’s council meeting following a non-binding referendum on a provincial jail for the area.

    The provincial government wants to build a 360-cell minimum-security correctional centre somewhere in the Okanagan in the next four years.

    Results of Saturday’s referendums for residents of Lumby and the surrounding Electoral Area D (Rural Lumby) — which asked whether the village should lobby the province for the prison — show a fairly even split in the wider community.

    The village voted 56 per cent in favour of the idea — 494 votes in favour versus 381 against.

    But Area D voters were two-to-one against it — 727 to 374.

    The combined tally was 56 per cent against the prison, with 44 per cent in favour.

    “It was pretty split down the middle,” Lumby Mayor Kevin Acton told The Province on Sunday.

    “It sure doesn’t make it easy for me.”

    Acton said he was hoping to receive a clear indication to pursue the new prison in Lumby, about 20 kilometres east of Vernon, but now has to reconsider.

    The financial spinoffs and 280 jobs at the prison would help the village rebound from the economic hardship caused by the closure of five sawmills, he said.

    “I know the province was looking for community support, and I’m not sure they would call [44 per cent in favour] good community support.”

    He said a decision should be made at Monday’s meeting “for Lumby’s sake.”

    “We’ve been going through this contentious issue for quite some time now, so we need to bury the hatchet,” said Acton.

    “A $17-million payroll would be a boost to the economy,” he added. “We’ve gone from a five-mill sawmill town down to almost nothing.”

    Opponents of the prison say they are doubtful all the economic spinoffs will materialize, a large prison would change the flavour of the small community and they are worried about the inmates who would settle in town after their release from jail and their associates.

    Other Okanagan municipalities are examining whether to pursue the $200-million correctional facility, notably Penticton and Summerland, according to media reports.

    One Lumby councillor remains in the pro-prison camp.

    “This facility, from an economic perspective, will be a godsend for this community,” said Coun. Janet Green.

    “We have a lot of poverty and a lot of unemployed.”

    She added, “The residents of [the village of] Lumby clearly indicated 56 per cent want this facility. I will continue to strongly support it very strongly.”

    She said she would side with the majority of the village’s electors.

    “We’re the ones who are facing increasing property taxes every year because we have no business base, so it’s huge,” said Green.

    Read more: http://www.theprovince.com/business/Lumby+residents+split+prison+referendum/4706797/story.html#ixzz1LACiBHmR

    That reporter did not do his homework obviously!

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    1. Laila

      Hi all, more to come later – a busy morning here – but I sent an email off to Councillor Janet Green for clarification on her information about poverty and unemployment, since my research didnt indicate an exceptional rate of either in Lumby – many people commute to work in Vernon or elsewhere and the community is growing. Not to mention they froze property taxes this year.

      No response from Mayor or Council yet, but I did find another article by Andy Ivens in the province Business section, where there was no mention of Janet Greens claims at all
      http://www.theprovince.com/business/Council+unlock+prison+stalemate+Lumby+future/4708250/story.html

      Council set to unlock prison stalemate for Lumby future
      By Andy Ivens, The Province May 2, 2011 Lumby elected officials will have a tough decision to make at today’s council meeting following a non-binding referendum on a provincial jail for the area.

      The B.C. government wants to build a 360-cell, minimum-security correctional centre somewhere in the Okanagan in the next four years.

      Results of Saturday’s referendums for residents of Lumby and the surrounding Electoral Area D (Rural Lumby), which asked whether the village should lobby the province for the prison, show a fairly even split in the wider community.

      The village voted 56 per cent in favour of the idea -494 votes in favour versus 381 against.

      But Area D voters were two to one against it -727 to 374.

      The combined tally was 56 per cent against the prison, with 44 per cent in favour.

      “It was pretty split down the middle,” Lumby Mayor Kevin Acton told The Province on Sunday.

      “It sure doesn’t make it easy for me.” Acton said he was hoping to receive a clear indication to pursue the new prison in Lumby, about 20 kilometres east of Vernon, but now has to reconsider.

      The financial spinoffs and 280 jobs at the prison would help the village rebound from the economic hardship caused by the closure of five sawmills, he said.

      “I know the province was looking for community support, and I’m not sure they would call [44 per cent in favour] good community support.”

      He said a decision should be made at today’s meeting “for Lumby’s sake.”

      “We’ve been going through this contentious issue for quite some time now, so we need to bury the hatchet,” said Acton.

      “A $17-million payroll would be a boost to the economy,” he added.

      “We’ve gone from a five-mill sawmill town down to almost nothing.”

      Opponents of the prison say they are doubtful all the economic spinoffs will materialize, a large prison would change the flavour of the small community and they are worried about the inmates who would settle in town after their release from jail, and their associates.

      Other Okanagan municipalities are examining whether to pursue the $200-million correctional facility, notably Penticton and Summerland, according to media reports.

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  4. According to the article by – Andy Ivens, The Province May 2, 2011 –
    Mayor Acton said:
    “We’ve gone from a five-mill sawmill town down to almost nothing.”

    I wonder how it feels to Swiss Carpentry when the Mayor refers to their top notch value added wood business as “almost nothing”

    http://www.swisstimberconstruction.com/

    What small business would choose to locate in a community when their hard work is merely viewed as “almost nothing” by a Village Council?

    I was at a Council meeting when one small wood business asked council to endorse them with the “made local” stamp. Council declined.

    Check out the Chamber of Commerce page for local business:
    log home and other value added small business:
    http://www.monasheetourism.com/chambermembers.html

    Maybe the Lumby Council could look at local small business as an asset?

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  5. LocalGovernmentJunkie

    Area D resident Huguette Allen will find the Village of Lumby’s financial information at http://www.lumby.ca/services/finance/index.html

    It is unfortunate that Ms. Allen did not research the Village website to download and examine these official documents, prior to composing her letter requesting this readily-available public information from a Council that is not even her own.

    Not only is Lumby’s 5-year Financial Plan available to the public (as it should be), one can also find the audited Financial Statements going back to 2006. Statements going back all the way to incorporation of the Village can be requested, if you like.

    No one is hiding this information, one just needs to download it, and then spend time interpreting and understanding it. But go ahead, conspiracy theorists, file those FOI requests!

    Although Ms. Allen acts as an advocate for Lumby and area, she has apparently not yet expressed any concerns about the financial management or economic development of Electoral Area D, where she actually lives and pays taxes.

    Let me say this once and for all:
    One cannot pin the economic future of Lumby and surrounding area on the Village of Lumby alone!

    Residents of Electoral Area D should raise their concerns with the Regional District of North Okanagan if they are truly interested in working towards a sustainable solution. Lumby and Electoral Areas D and E already work together on parks and rec issues as part of “Whitevalley Parks, Recreation, and Culture”, so why not economic development too?

    P.S. I note that Lumby has been referred to as a “city” numerous times in these articles. Although Lumby is an incorporated “municipality”, it is considered a “Village” not a “City” because its population is not more than the magic number of 2,500.

    As per Section 17 of the Local Government Act:
    Classification of municipalities
    17 (1) A municipality must be incorporated as follows:
    (a) as a village, if the population is not greater than 2 500;
    (b) as a town, if the population is greater than 2 500 but not greater than 5 000;
    (c) as a city, if the population is greater than 5 000;
    (d) despite paragraphs (a) to (c), as a district municipality if the area to be incorporated is greater than 800 hectares and has an average population density of less than 5 persons per hectare.”

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    1. Laila

      Thank you, Inga Van Oostveen, for pointing to Hugette where she can get that information. I have been looking over all of it and no where have I seen the mayor and councils individual salaries, or expenses, which is why I suggested an FOI. Perhaps you could let us know where to get that information as well? And anyone can ask for information from any council, there is no law against that concern. If we need your assistance with web content or editing, we will give you a shout, but thanks again for your input : )

      Priscilla, good information, thank you!! Certainly the mayor and council do not seem overly concerned with anything but the prison.

      Alan, thank you, as I thank everyone for banding together for what you believe in up there. I will be awaiting news of the vote tonight with anticipation, in particular since I have received several nasty emails today stating if the prison doesn’t go ahead, it will be all my fault…lol. Hmmm. I don’t think I can take any credit on that one, the people were asked a question and they answered. Truth can’t be hidden for long.

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  6. LocalGovernmentJunkie

    Laila,

    If you insist on using my real name – which I find rather interesting as I gave you only my e-mail address, which I was assured would not be posted (and I did not provide you with my actual name!) – perhaps you would be so kind as to spell my first name correctly: Inge, and my last name with a lower case “v”.

    Thank you.

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    1. Laila

      Video will be coming a bit later- it’s taking a bit of time to compress and upload – and I will have a post on democracy sometime today. Many many warm thoughts to the concerned citizens of Lumby, in particular those who have been bullied by pro-prison supporters over the last year. Just remember- it’s not over until it is over. Nearly half of the village proper DID NOT want to pursue a prison, and those people who voted in the referendum, have enough votes right now to vote out Acton alone in a municipal election. There is still more of this story to come.

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  7. Paul and Jo Anne Fisher

    May 3, 2011
    Dear Mayor Acton;
    Last night’s council meeting was a fine example of transparency. It was plain for everyone to see that you failed to represent the 44% of voters who have faith in their convictions to stand up and say “No” to the prison proposal. (Not to mention the 66% of Area D taxpayers.) Mayor Acton, I do not mean you should have voted “No” with us. But you could have stopped Doug Brown’s attack. His “presentation” was nothing more than a public shaming of those people who choose to think differently, who have a different vision of Lumby, who have the fortitude to speak up for what they know is a better choice for Lumby, and in many cases, have deeper roots in our community than even members of council. What happened to democracy in Lumby?

    I wonder when Mr. Brown, and other pro prison delegates, gave notice that they would like to make a presentation to council. Monday morning? I thought those who want to speak before council had to give 2 week’s notice. It is obvious that no such notice could have been given before Monday’s meeting. The referendum results were not known till Saturday night. If this is the case, then Monday’s meeting was nothing but a dog and pony show to create the appearance of democracy in action. It also gave you the rationale to vote in favour of the prison proposal. Transparent? Yes, it was very apparent that the meeting was an absolute farce.

    Last night, it became apparent that you lack leadership. You lack the wherewithal to stand up to people like Mr. Brown and demand that respect be shown by all. You lack the understanding of how to conduct a meeting in a civil manner. You allowed Doug Brown to spew his vitriolic and hateful spite. By doing so, you allowed our community to be divided even further.

    You need to have the capacity to mend fences and to bring our community together. It is now clear that your citizens can not rely upon you to do this. The way you conducted last night’s meeting was “Simply Not the Best”.

    Leaderless In Lumby,
    Paul and Jo Anne Fisher

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    1. Laila

      Brava, Paul and Jo Anne, brava! The conviction comes through loud and clear enough to cover my arms with goosebumps. Brava!

      Anon- great link. Mr. Foster is in a very tough spot since this back-peddling at this stage is a bit late for him. It started with him, and unfortunately, it may end with him.

      Take note all: MLA Foster is very correct in stating the decision rests with the province and the solicitor general, and certainly while Mayor Acton and his fellow council members failed to recognize the significance of such a slim margin – they deemed it a “clear and strong mandate ” – provincial officials will look at the slim village margin, and the 66% opposed in area D and see another picture all together. This is certainly the time to continue the fight, only directed towards the province in a concentrated effort of emails, letters and both copied to your MLA Eric Foster, who is clearly feeling the pinch of his position.

      Trying not to worry : your words are too kind, and I have done nothing but tell the story that was already there. As British Columbians, we must come together to support each others fights, because one day they might be our own. People forget that far too easily. Look at Susan Heyes, Pavi KhunKhun. If we don’t fight for them, and ourselves, who else will come do it? You lead by example.

      Chris, I agree ! It took a lot of guts on her part, in that room, with those people, to vote the direction she did. There are options, none have been explored.

      Lou- I don’t know…. do you think the prison uses much massage therapy or hypnosis? Perhaps that is how so many people went along with this… lol.

      Bob, thanks for the offer of running for mayor, and really, I’m sure it would be a blast to live in Lumby with so much nature around – you might tend to take for granted what you have on your doorstep, but for me, having grown up in the bush and now having lived down on the coast for so long, I miss it dearly! Actually, let me correct myself. I think none of you take it for granted what you have up there, and that is what is behind your fight. No thanks needed Bob, just doing what I love to do.

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  8. Joan

    I would like to know what the jobs are that will be available when and (I hope not) if
    the prison is built. The guards have to be fully trained and all workers must have a
    thorough background check by the RCMP before they are even considered for jobs anywhere like those available in prisons. Known associates, relatives, etc. will be checked
    as well. It is not a cut and dried matter of applying for jobs there and being selected by
    someone in charge as you might expect. Don’t fool yourselves into thinking all these
    jobs are waiting for you. They probably will bring most of their own workers with them. I know these things as I have relatives in Law Enforcement and was told what
    to expect with a prison like this in villages, towns and cities. The prospect is dismal
    and I think there are better ways of helping the Village of Lumby than this one.

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  9. Jim

    Kind of funny how Our MLA Eric Foster seems to be already changing his tune. A week or so ago he stated in the Vernon Morning Star newspaper and I quote…….
    “Either way, yay or nay, I will respect the decision of the people of Lumby and area – and so will the provincial government.”

    Now right after the vote he states on Kiss FM…and I quote…..

    Eric Foster says council is “doing the right thing” by moving ahead after 56 percent of Lumby residents supported the plan in a referendum.

    “But at the same time, the people of Area D did not support it, so it makes it a little difficult for me, but we’ll deal with the village’s request first, and see where it goes.”

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  10. Playing catch up here with these posts Laila, as was campaigning my self in the federal election, but seems that the referendum result was a moot point after all given Lumby’s decision to go ahead and pursue the prison, which you reported in a later post.

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  12. News on the recent election in Lumby – turns out there were errors in the counting:
    Reported here on My Valley Sun http://www.myvalleysun.com/

    and on Kiss FM
    http://1075kiss.com/local-first/kiss-news/4636-lumby-vote-count-error

    I can tell you first hand that this is not the first time srutineers and community members have complained about voting irregularities.

    Also check out my blog for the upcoming Leadnow.ca event to protest the ominous Federal Crime Bill that will make more prisons in BC necessary.. P3 prisons that will likely bankrupt BC taxpayers. http://theXpress.ca

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