There is a storm brewing among the people,my friends…
“I bought the Sunday Province yesterday. For a change it was worth the smash I paid for it. I read something in there. Read something I was going to write about yesterday but I did not. I decided maybe I better let myself cool down a little first. Did not want to write anything that I might be sorry I wrote later.
40% of the trees logged on my province’s coast in the first half of this year were exported as raw logs.
40%.
The ( edited) who are responsible for this have pushed me over the edge. What kind of a bunch of assholes would sell out their countrymen like that? God damn traitors. Mother$%^$%^$’s would cause less damage to the B.C. economy if they flew a couple jets into Dope City’s two tallest buildings.
40%.
The Greatest Place on Earth? F*** you! “
~ Mr. Beer and Hockey, Dope City Free Press
Sometimes, I can’t even come close to telling it like it is. But this time. Mr. Beer and Hockey did, and how! Raw words, indeed, full of pain and anger and so brought to you as close to original as I can -why should I take away from how he really feels?
Coming from a family in the north in which every male relative works in either a sawmill or pulpmill, working at great risk to themselves to provide a good life for their families,I am pretty opinionated about raw log exports.
I’ve written about it many times, wondering why the idiots running this province don’t retro-fit all the mills to cut the dimensions desired overseas, therefore keeping those valuable jobs at home where they belong,and still profiting from exports. I can see it, why can’t they?
photo courtesy of Dan Schubart, who has shared this exceptional, must read link http://monarpentdeneige.net/staringout/?p=123
From that link:
“These are a couple of shots of what greeted us on our way to an afternoon boat ride on the Alberni Inlet. (Those are raw logs stacked on the deck of these two ships.)
Given that the Forest and Range Minister has highlighted that value added is the key to the economy of BC, does it not make sense that we ought to be processing our own resources within a millimetre of their lives before we ship so much as a stick to those markets in the Far East. As it is, we’re more of a rent-a-womb than an economy, with the added joy of soil depletion and an eventual end to fertility. Last one out, please turn out the lights.”
I can’t thank Dan enough for sharing this link and these shots, and sorry Mr. Beer, I hope you don’t lose it again, but you might want to share these shots with your coworkers….
After all, in case you didn’t know it, forestry kept this province running well for many years. Until the pine beetle decided to munch through half the standing wood in the upper portions of this great land, and the Liberals decided selling to China as is was a better deal than making sure BC sawmill workers could put food on the table for their familes, and keep the house out of foreclosure.
And then comes Christy’s great job plan. All talk, all glory,all photo ops to rival Sarah Palin’s…. and what else? Not a lot.
Clark, the still un-elected premier in charge of our province, is simply continuing the plan Gordon Campbell and crew cooked up during his tenure.
Christy Clark, advised by Gwyn Morgan, of the same SNC- Lavelin now being investigated for corruption on a project overseas… is going to sell off this province bit by bit if they are allowed to remain in power.
She is supporting every single move that threatens our province with the exception of Independent Power Projects, that still remains on the table with her. But just wait. Once she really absorbs… if she can… how much power is needed for most of the initiatives she is supporting… she will likely flip flop on that too. Can’t frack without a hell of a lot of power and water, and neither can you support your corporate advisors…
And she is not alone, you would do well to recall. Kevin Falcon, although purported to not be supportive of her behind the scenes, is biding his time while she progresses to her inevitable end. And Falcon was key to all the P3 deals Gabriel Yiu mentions in this recent commentary, in which he deems, incorrectly in my opinion, that the debt from these contractual agreements I have investigated many time, is Campbells legacy.
It is not Campbells legacy alone, indeed, far from it. Falcon panted madly over many of those deals involving the transportation ministry: The Golden Ears, the Port Mann, the Sea to Sky and the South Fraser Perimeter Road. And now, this same man who sincerely signed us off on mortgaging our childrens futures via the provinces ” contractual obligations”… is our finance minister.
No, it would be a faulty conclusion to lay all the blame on Campbell for those deals, when Falcon was part and parcel to all of it. Including what happened with the BC rail/Gateway connection then, ( scroll down to Falcons Follies series) and what Christy is doing with it now.
But that is not all that got my panties in a bunch on the rare occasion I had to pursue the news in the last couple weeks. It was also the news that Clark is aiming to increase foreign students admissions in BC to generate revenue.
Hello.
This is all fine and dandy for Christy, who “attended” but never actually graduated from anywhere, least of all SFU, to basically deem Asian students as cash cows, because they are- to the faculties that actively recruit them… and yet leave our homegrown students out in the cold for classes and degrees and housing because they can’t compete. On specifically the financial level. And I ask the premier, why do you hate kids in BC so much? Seriously?
It’s not even that if a teen from BC that wants to go to SFU is accepted- they usually are, if grades are good enough- it is if they have the money to pay upfront or if they are on scholarship or student loans. Because ” foreign students” show up to pay in cash, no kidding, carrying around thousands of dollars. Or that many people renting to college kids state ” foreign students only ” in their ads because they know they can charge more and they pay cash….
Hard truths. Real truths, and Christy Clarks announcement tasted very bad in the mouths of many, many parents I know who have kids who can’t get classes or housing or whatever… because foreign students and rich, pay in full students are given first priority.
Is that fair? Not in my world, where our kids come first, where we foster home grown talent rather than foreign talent, and where we make it possible for all kids who were born here to succeed before we place the wants of another countries parents before ours, and the financial needs of our financially irresponsible leaders before the needs of our residents.
Yes… there is a storm brewing , my friends…
Before I go for the evening, let’s talk about what a couple more things that caught my eye.
Let’s talk about nuclear power and the Peace River, and why the two are related.
If you read a couple things besides me before you go to bed, you need to read this. http://rabble.ca/blogs/bloggers/djclimenhaga/2011/09/rust-never-sleeps-%E2%80%A6-and-neither-do-albertas-tar-sands-nuclear-po
Yes, the tar sands in Alberta are lobbying madly again for nuclear power. More on that to come. And when you are wondering why the Site C project is so fully endorsed by the province of BC, and everything seems to be a sham, remember these two electricity sucking industries: Fracking, and tar sands extractions. And could it be any coincidence that Christys advisor is Gwyn Morgan of SNC-Lavelin, the company that just closed on the purchase of Alta Link, the corporation that: ” is responsible for the maintenance and operation of approximately 12,000 kilometres of transmission lines and 270 substations in Alberta. It owns more than half of Alberta’s transmission grid and serves 85 per cent of its population. ”
Things that make you go… ” Hmmmmm.”
I bet if someone asked her, Christy would fully support Site C, because of the ” energy needs of the province”.. sure… and that has nothing to do with the energy needs of Alberta, huh?
And the second thing you need to read, and really remember when you think of Christy Clarks infantile job plan -seriously, you have to wonder about any Liberal who voted for her as leader- is this bit that came to me through BC Mary’s blog, a link to Merv Griffins post on all the Americans taking jobs up north where Christy and her dear buddy Blair Lekstrom claim all the jobs to be. http://www.kitimatdaily.ca/go4937a/ARE_BC_LIBERAL_MINISTERS_THAT_OUT_OF_TOUCH
Really? No kidding… gee, how many other companies do I know that use American workers in Canada…
Kiewit…
Last, before I leave you for the evening, I would like to mention the story that all the American and Canadian media seem to have either missed while reporting on some teen star that was allegedly roughed up by VPD, or the wind that we know always happens in the fall and winter, or perhaps they were even occupied by other events not associated with revolution and mass protest…
Yes, let’s not talk about large, ongoing protests happening in the financial district of Manhattan,because clearly that is not important.Lady Gaga and her appearance at Obama’s fundraiser in Silicon Valley is far more newsworthy than that!
For nearly two weeks, protestors have been peacefully protesting capitalistic goals, anger over having degrees, high student tuitions and no jobs, lobbyists that are getting rich on the backs of everyone in America… and a government that seems to have no ability to stop any of it… Women protesting peacefully have gotten maced.
People giving in to arrest are thrown to the ground.
And all sorts of other unreported events by the mainstream media for whatever reason…..whether you believe these protestors are hired, or real people,or simply a disenchanted generation…. the right to a peaceful protest was still a right the last time I looked.
I wonder, as I sit here at my desk, listening to the wind still howling outside… will we reach this point here in BC? Will we, the regular people who shop at Superstore, buy clothes at Zellers, and can’t afford luxuries like custom made shoes but buy them BOGO half off at Payless, reach out and join others to say enough is enough?
Christy Clark, Gordon Campbell…. they are both the same. Both accept donations from companies and people whose priorities become theirs after visits from lobbyists result in successful and lucrative contracts. Both failed and continue to fail, to heed the needs and requirements of the people who they are deemed to serve.
Let me say this. I don’t have a lobbyist, nor do you. So who serves our needs when it comes to government? When they put the needs of their corporate donors before the needs of the people who elected them, it’s a dereliction of duty, plain and simple. And frankly, I have had enough. I just watched Casino Jack and really can’t tell the difference between lobbying in BC, and the crime of influence peddling… which by the way, is a crime in Canada as well… in case some lobbyists who cross the line don’t know. All it takes is a phone call to get the ball rolling…
“A little rebellion now and then is a good thing and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical.”
THOMAS JEFFERSON, letter to James Madison, Jan. 30, 1787
Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution
Westcoast Views with Laila Yuile 
There will come a time after everyone wakes up, when the those corporate traitors end up in the prisons they built.
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Wow !!! You certainly are back Laila. Great article.
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Raw logs! I hope I haven’t shared this before, but…
http://monarpentdeneige.net/staringout/?p=123
Seeing all those jobs loaded on the decks and shipped out was devastating, but a small part of the same picture that has a minister of the crown disparaging Keystone XL protesters as terrorists and blaming them for a possible loss of jobs in Canada. Or for Jamie Dimon castigating Mark Carney (no favourite of mine, but for different reasons) for daring to suggest that JPMorgan Chase ought to somehow have some reserves to back all their financial shenanigans, because, heaven knows, bankers never mess up and always cover all their losses.
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Dan, no you haven’t and that is brilliant and I hope you don’t mind that I posted your photo to the front page of this article with a direct link to your post!
This is a sickening photo and I was not prepared for the anger I feel at seeing those logs going to China when we have so many excellent and capable workers and their families here who need the jobs.
Well Ms. Christy, what have you got to say about this one!!
Also interesting to note is a certain new twitter follower that picked up my twitter feed this morning…
Michael Swart @Michael_Swart is now following you (@lailayuile).
Michael_Swart Michael Swart
Vice President Marketing at First Choice Power. Dallas, Texas 3,754
hmmm. Wonder where that name has come up before….; )
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Wow, you have covered just about everything that has had me stunned and tonguetied in one great post! Bravo!
Where HAVE you heard that name before Laila?
Also, from the Terrace Daily Frontpage, another bombshell regarding Dick Cheney’s trip to Vancouver.
http://www.terracedaily.ca/show8588a/DICK_CHENEY_TO_SPEAK_AT_NOTORIOUS_CHILD_TRAFFICKING_CENTER_
Welcome back Laila 😉
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Raw logs leaving BC is akin to unrefined bitumen, mixed with gas condensate or light oil and piped to American refineries or beyond. We really are designing our economic downfall. When the oil is and the tar sands are gone in 40 years, the rich guys will have moved elsewhere. Albertans will have a different view of the energy business then.
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Agreed, Norman. Not far off from the raping and pillaging of days long gone, when marauders would raze villages and leave them empty of all food, animals, wealth and women.
The only difference is now the marauders where tailored custom suits, Ralph Lauren shoes and expensive hairstyles… Still , I don’t think a lot of people can visualize those logs in such a capacity, and what a loss of jobs that represents !!
We need to support our own here as well, and pass this on to all British Columbians!
Kim, thanks, I try! There is more craziness to come in stories over the next few weeks. Stay tuned. Thanks for the link a must read for anyone not aware of the allegations in that story, which are also sickening.
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Now they want to log our Rain Forests. The unique small wolves and the beautiful Spirit Bears live there. There are thousands of critters in the forests, including salmon runs.
The channel into the Rain Forests, is the route the dirty oil tankers from China will use, to go into Port Kitimat. In that channel are, our beautiful Orca and Humpback Whales. All the marine life will be threatened, both by logging and the dirty tankers. I am not clear on this though? Will ships also have to use that channel, to pick the logs up?
I am wondering too? If Campbell cons England and Europe into accepting the dirty tar sands oil? Will those tankers come into Port Kitimat as well?
BC has vast natural resources to plunder. Harper and Campbell worked together, to thieve BC’s assets and resources. The citizen’s own none of them. We are not even going to own our water. Not that it matters of course, the water thieving is for fracking. Need free home heat? All you have to do is, light the water on fire, that is coming out of your faucets. Fracking is contaminating the clean underground water, for absolute miles. They say, there will be wars over water. At the rate, stupid greedy politicians are poisoning our lakes, rivers, streams and clean drinking water. I can see that happening.
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Im afraid we are all to blame, folks. Why? because we directly or indirectly support capitalism, which involves the whole economics thing of supply and demand. Here’s how it goes. You have a company like MacBlo or whoever with a tree farm license, a sawmill, and a pulp mill. The raw material is the logs, the output are 2X4’s and the waste from the 2X4 production is used in the pulp mill to make paper. In order for the full sequence to work, there has to be a demand for both the 2X4s and the paper. Say the pulp industry crashes because nobody reads papers and book publishing gets supplanted by e-readers. WIth no market, the pulp mill closes down. Not too catastrophic because the logging continues and the sawmill keeps making 2X4s.
But then there is a recession and house building in the US collapses. This is on top of draconian treaties that keep the flow of Canadian lumber in the US to a minimum anyway. WIth a hugely diminished market, the sawmill closes down. The only thing left in the sequence is the timber harvesting. Fortunately, in China building is still on a tear. But for all the hype about it’s economy, China is still an undeveloped country that makes things for peanuts. There is no way Chinese citizens can afford housing built from lumber from a developed country, with all it’s unions and environmental protections that make production costs high. In China they can turn out a 2X4 for 15 cents rather than buy one from us for 10 dollars. So they offer to buy the much cheaper raw product and make their own lumber, thank you very much.
So MacBlo decides to ship them the raw logs (at much reduced profit) to at least keep some cash flow going and keep some loggers in the bush. The alternative is to shut everything down until markets change, in which case no more MacBlo and no jobs anywhere.
Over the years timber production efficiency has skyrocketed, which means we can churn out enormous quantities of lumber with fewer and fewer people. Mills were being shut down even in the heyday of the boom because it now takes far fewer people (and mills) to produce as much as the world wants. The days of mill towns are almost over.
I’m not sure what the solution is, but the days of forestry being the backbone of BC’s economy are over.
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Laila, you said: “I’ve written about it many times, wondering why the idiots running this province don’t retro-fit all the mills to cut the dimensions desired overseas, therefore keeping those valuable jobs at home where they belong,and still profiting from exports. I can see it, why can’t they?”
I’m sure you didn’t mean this literally – the very last thing we need is the government taking over mills and retrofitting them a la soviet 5-year plans. The raging against “capitalism” some of your guests embark on doesn’t change the fundamental economic realities of supply and demand – either we accommodate the world market or we initiate a closed nationalized economic system and watch our economy – no, our lifestyle and our very lives – degrade to the relative poverty of late 20th century eastern Europe.
I don’t believe the solution lies with either government action or a socialized lumber industry. The reason we’re shipping raw timber overseas is because taxation, wages, and regulation make the cost prohibitive to process it here in Canada. Why would a global buyer pay Canadian costs for processing when it can process at a fraction of the cost and none of the regulation back home?
The answer is to create a business-friendly atmosphere by removing excess regulation and taxation so that companies CAN operate here at a profit. All the wonderful plans in the world are not worth a whit if they can’t be paid for, and like it or not business shoulders the lion’s share of the tax base.
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Excellent post Nathaniel! Your explanation is bang on.
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google search 1 Michael Swart First Choice Power added british columbia “Brian Hayduk”
google search 2 First Choice Power british columbia “Brian Hayduk”
google search 3 british columbia “Brian Hayduk”
Sixth hit down on #3
Prepaid Electric Service Launched
http://www.smartmeters.com › News
15 Mar 2010 – If BC Hydro will save that much money they should . … First Choice Power president Brian Hayduk says the prepaid service gives customers …
http://www.smartmeters.com/the-news/860-prepaid-electric-service-launched.html
Texas utility First Choice Power becomes the first affiliated retail electric provider in the state to offer consumers a prepaid service option called Control First. Unlike other providers in the market that bills based on estimated use, Control First determines actual daily usage via smart meters. The service is notable because consumers can now get electrical service with no credit check, contractor deposit. It also streamlines the process of switching service to a new address. SNIP
Sounds like BC Hydro is getting out of Collecting their monies afterwards and its already set up a process by which customers will be required to pay with a Debit system.
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Nathaniel, part of the solution would be to stop exporting logs now and process them here. If customers in the US, Japan, Korea and yes China ( which desperately needs lumber for it’s housing industry) do not want to pay fair price ( instead of fire sale prices for whole logs) for our wood product then let the trees grow and become even more valuable. Also if these countries want raw logs they can purchase them from the only other large source Russia. Oh hold on, even Russia saw the futility of giving their forests away for nothing and have severely limited raw log exports. We started out in this Province exporting small amounts of raw logs to the US. Japan and Korea mostly. China saw what a gravy pit it was to buy these logs for a song and they knew they could ship across the Pacific twice and sell the forest products we used to make back to us. These raw log exports have snowballed into wholesale devestation of the forests to feed an insatiable appetite. In the meantime the Liberals have made millions for their Corporate Friends (regardless of what they’ll tell everybody) and eliminated tens of thousands of good paying union jobs to a point where there are so few Forest Industry jobs left it won’t be long until there are none They are tipping the trees off the stump with a processor, trucking them to the water (They hardly even build roads anymore. Why would they when you can get the public to pay for the Highways they use?), weigh scaling the whole load and dumping them in the water for loading on ships. Believe me if we shut the raw log export maket down it won’t be long before they are banging on our door like “crack heads” looking for more. I say let the trees grow.
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NVG. Thank you. You rock!
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I call B.S. on Nathaniel’s economics lesson. You can do more with wood chips than make paper. I do not expect B.C.’s log exports to be zero given our present circumstances. All I am saying is 40-50% is way too high. And I will tell you where Nathaniel’s kind of thinking will get us and get us soon. We still are not exporting hardly any logs to India I don’t think. When we do, that will be rest of our sawmills closed.
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I agree Beer.
The price of pulp has been low for years. During that time Jimmy Pattison has been buying up shares in Canfor, which owns sawmills and pulp mills, and Pattison rarely gambles on a losing venture. Buy low, sell high. This goes back to 2005/2006. and pulp prices have been high this year due to a tight supply. Canfor pulp http://www.stockchase.com/Company-sl–slq-ID-slv-Canfor–Pulp–Products.php
My dad works at a canfor mill, spent his life working in the plant and all my other relatives in the PG area work at saw mills, so this is something close to home for me, my family and community back home. Sending 40% to China is way too high and Jon makes a good point about supply. Of course they might turn to the US but considering the situation there where the great lumber barons of times past are all but dwindling, good luck.
I would like to see Clark spend some serious time looking at how we can keep these logs here, and have the jobs here. While the forestry industry is no longer the main economic engine that drives the province, it still is an industry that can make or break a smaller community. It’s all initiative and will – instead of going to China and thanking them for buying our logs from us, they need to go to China and say, this is what we need to do to be economically viable. We need to re-open mills and we will assist owners in retro-fitting them to cut to your specs. We know you have limited options for other sources considering shipping and supply. So we will commit to selling you the finished lumber and perhaps the BC government can look at using the chips as an alternative fuel source as well, similar to biomass wood pellets.
I know far too many people who were laid off mills that closed and didnt re-open. I know there are options if this government wants to put some truth to the words of families first. More forestry workers support families in this province than one can imagine, and when work dries up they often have to split the family up with dad going to the north or Alberta to work in the oil fields to keep food on the table. That is not my idea of putting families first.
I’d like to see every sawmill worker in the province standing up for this one. Cheryl makes a damn good point. We were worried when they shipped 5% out. Now look where we are.
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Laila, I’ve missed your blog and your genuine assessment of the BC’s dire economic situation. The faux BC Liberal’s (aka Socred/Conservatives) have perpetually given away publicly owned resources for much less than their real value. The LIEberal’s abysmal practice of raping publicity owned resources for their corporate friends and elite idols has been in process for decades. Your articles, and those of Norman Farrell, Harvey Oberfeld and the Tyee should be the main fodder in mainstream media.
We are now approaching the lowest common denominator that has handcuffed Ireland, Spain and Portugal. The lowering corporate taxes has led to economic demise of these countries. At one time, we had an advantage in this province by owning substantial public resources (minerals, forestry, hydro power, etc.). We can recover, but have to stop giving them away. There must be a substantial benefit to the public purse, not only to the wealthy.
JonH has touched on a solution for this travesty.
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rmaharg, thanks friend – I’ve missed your commentary as well. A must read comment for all **
I agree that most people still have no inkling how bad things are financially, with all the P3 deals, with BC Hydros agreements and debt, with the IPP projects on every damn creek and river…
I have always thought, and have said so time and time again, that I firmly believe there is a leadership style that marries the fiscal needs of the province with the social needs of the population. We still have the highest child poverty rate in the country, a horrible fact that this government has continually tried to spin over and over again. People cant survive on low paying jobs, yes we need business to flourish to get those jobs, but lets make that happen in a way where we can encourage BC owned and operated businesses to succeed and be proud of how their employees succeed as well.
In my opinion, I have yet to see a leader that can walk that line. Looking at the last leadership candidates now, in hindsight, I think Horgan would have served this province well, and in saying that, I eat my previous impression of him.
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Finance Minister Kevin Falcon is down-playing a negative report from BC’s auditor-general today, which criticizes the government’s treatment of the corporation it set up to oversee construction of the Port Mann Bridge.
Auditor John Doyle disagrees with the province’s decision to treat that corporation’s debt as self-supporting instead of taxpayer-supported, but Falcon says many others back the government’s position.
“…..the comptroller-general who is ultimately responsible for the books of the province agrees with the interpretation that we have that it should be self-supported but the auditor-general doesn’t, and so I think it’s a question of professionals disagreeing on how you should treat an accounting designation.”
Falcon says none of the issues raised in Doyle’s report would have any impact on the province’s bottom line.
Mr. Falcon, how could it not impact the bottom line?
In the long run, however you look at it, IT IS THE TAXPAYER who will pay. You and your party have cost the taxpayers of this province way too much money and continue to bleed us.
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Falcon is a fiscal idiot who is shamelessly treating the citizens and the auditor general as if we are all incapable of understanding financial reports and positions.
Curt, in the photo above I am wearing a hardhat, of which no one identified the company it belongs to.
It is a Kiewit hat, and combined with the other information I have been sitting on for a long time, John Doyles report could not have been more timely, in particular with relation to the Port Mann.
I shall be working on this particular story later today and over the weekend, as it is quite involved and very revealing. And Falcon will have a lot of explaining to do once again.
( yesterday I was busy painting the stair railings and fencing on the strata’s amenities room, in order to save the strata a very costly painting bill. As president,I am very fiscally prudent,with the goal of reducing our costs and increasing our contingency, something the liberals don’t know a lot about.. hehe)
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LY – A very close friend of mine for the past 30 years or so is one of BC’s top tree growers – he figures that it would take 20 years of planting trees like crazy right now on a massive scale in order to catch up. We must persevere with the theme of truth outside the racket of naive reality that the establishment order and their rings of minions attempt to infuse the rest of us with – these political actors are not in charge – big money and the banks are. The neo-marxists were correct – its all about who has the means of production – the political class of actors that works for the ‘gold’ only sings the songs that each naive group is harkening to hear. I am the son of a business owner, worked in the stock market for 10 years, had my own publishing business for 7 years with 40 employees, and have been polling for 15 years —- I am NOT a government worker.
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Raw logs being shipped off to China, mainly, has seen a 893% increase since 2003
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There is a problem with the thinking in this article about raw log exports.
In a perfect world it makes sense but we have to export raw logs overseas to mainly China our second largest trade partner because of 1 reason, export cost.
We can’t compete with the worlds largest lumber producer which is Russia who’s manufacturing and especially shipping costs to China and the rest of Asia are significantly lower then ours. We send the logs over for the Chinese to process who’s manufacturing costs are even lower then the Russians.
Our boards and processed lumber the other 60 percent goes to the rest of Canada and the US which is to us what China is to the Russians.
If the Americans can recover the economy and start building houses again maybe we can send more boards down there but until then we gotta pump logs to Asia because our lumber costs to much and that is why those numbers are the way they are.
basic economics and business
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